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No more skulking :-)

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:50 pm
by moonoo
Hi Everyone,

Rather than continue to read the forum anonymously I thought I should join up now.

I've been looking at you good people rather jealously for at least the last 5 or so years. I've fancied an EV car for the whole of that time for my M8 commute. Leasing/PCP would not be suitable since I'm on ~25000 miles a year. I've generally bought second hand diesel cars ~3 years old and ran them until they died. I don't have a big budget for motoring so this has been the cheapest way I could do things in the past.

I knew that the hope of me owning an EV car would be possible once the second hand EV market was mature and more importantly my workplace put in an EV charging option.

As part of a nearly complete new building at my workplace they have to put in some EV charging points soon so things have nearly aligned for me to be able to make things work. Perhaps just in time as my existing 06 plate Volvo has done ~290,000 miles and I would like to retire it while it is still running.

I think I have most of the basics covered but I'm sure I'll have more specific questions that I'll post to the appropriate forum sections.

I'm thinking that a Leaf Gen 2 24 kW would be ideal for me with workplace charging. The prospect of moving to an EV car after all this time has me rather excited. Having to rely on an older ICE car for work with all the complexity of oils, belts and filters etc. has removed any motoring joy I may have once had and had me perpetually worried and anxious about every extra squeak and rattle.

A car that is much less mechanically complex, more reliable, quieter and can be "filled up" at home - what's not to love. Oh and there is the not so insignificant matter of much reduced running costs and perhaps doing a little to save the planet. :)

Thanks everyone for posting and helping out. I've been one of the many readers who were doing so anonymously but benefiting greatly from your many words of advice.

Cheers, moonoo

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:25 pm
by Buzby
Even after 10 years, I still get a ‘buzz’ being an EV driver. If purchasing s/h do make sure you have a warranty as things can get expensive at specialist EV dealerships. Even the times when you have to stop for a Rapid top up, those 30 minutes are quality time you’ll get to enjoy!

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:22 am
by Chunkybuns
Speak to Scally, he is a regular contributor and loves a field trip. You don't say whether the 25k you do involves one long (50 mile) journey each way each day or if it is lots of short journeys but you are correct when you say it will save you maintenance and fuel money.

I commute with mine every day but only about 20 miles and do about 100 over the weekends. I Love my Leaf and still get a buzz driving it, that I never got driving ICE cars.

You'll find the driving is fun, but be aware, the charging situation can be frustrating with blocked (ICE'd) bays and inconsiderate chargers.

Good luck

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:41 pm
by moonoo
Thanks Buzby, I'm hoping to have some remainder of manufacturers warranty with the car. I do admit that some electronic widget going wrong and needing an expensive replacement is a fear. As time goes on I'm hoping that specialist EV repair options do become available outside of the dealer networks. I think I saw someone talk about the possibility of ordering Nissan parts from the USA as a cheaper option.

Hi Chunkybuns, It is one long 50 mile journey there and then the same return journey to get home. With the workplace charging in place I won't need to rely on the public charging network for my commute but I'll be subject to the same ICE'd frustrations at the weekend.

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:37 pm
by Buzby
Moonoo - the manufacturers warranty is a good safety net, but my previous car was a Renault which I purchased S/h with 3 years remaining on a 4 year warranty. 2 weeks before expiry, the dash display put up a warning: DANGER - Electrical Fault! And the car would roll to a standstill. Restarting cleared it, but it would come back perhaps 30 minutes later, or the next day. I had already agreed to trade the car in, so I thought I’d at least try to get the Fault checked out. I was told by the dealership to put the car ‘on the computer’ to read the Fault codes - would be £120. Fixing would cost extra on top of this. If I was keeping it, I’d have extended the warranty like a shot - but it did take a lot of the fun away!

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 2:20 am
by Scally
Hi Chunkybuns, It is one long 50 mile journey there and then the same return journey to get home. With the workplace charging in place I won't need to rely on the public charging network for my commute but I'll be subject to the same ICE'd frustrations at the weekend.

That's an interesting challenge: I would definitely NOT go for a 24 kWh Leaf: my own experience of mine was that in a hard winter in Scotland, even 50 miles is pushing it to the limit, and you therefore need a very light pedal, unless you have thermal socks on. But it depends on how you drive: I prefer to drive at the speed limit and that means 70 mph on motorways, not 55: range decreases significantly at that speed, and the older the car, the less range you will get.

I'd opt for a 2nd hand 30 kWh Leaf or a 40 kWh Zoe - either would make major savings on fuel and running costs compared with any ICE car over that kind of annual mileage, but the Leaf would be more comfortable. No problem with a BMW i3 rex or an Ioniq either, but they are like hens teeth to find and a bit pricey.

The fuel savings will repay the investment very quickly at that mileage.

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:42 am
by ScotstounPele

I have a 24kwh Leaf (2013 plate, bought for £10k in 2015) and I'd respectfully add a counterpoint to Scally; if you are on a budget then a decent 24kwh Leaf costing about £7k at today's prices is a far more realistic prospect than a 30-40kwh car which costs twice as much. If you are able to charge both at home and at work to 100% every time - eg if you are not using the car for short journeys during the working day - then a 24kwh car should be able to manage a 50 mile journey fine in any weather. Your only issue would come if the workplace chargepoint was broken - which does happen, especially if not well installed in the first place - then you'd need a backup option.

Without knowing the exact distance of your journey (50 miles sounds like a round number), it is hard to say how comfortable you would be, but a 50kwh Leaf driven carefully without air conditioning at 55mph should reach 60 miles max range even in cold winter weather. You don't want to use the last ten per cent of your battery (believe me, that's when severe anxiety kicks in) so that gives a theoretical 54 miles range even in bad weather. Driven carefully, you can get over 70 miles in summer. Leafs have an easy speed limiter function on the steering wheel (certainly Acenta and Tekna models do) so it is really quite easy to limit your driving to such a speed. And if you buy your EV in spring then you get to practice driving efficiently over the summer months to learn the ropes before next winter. Moreover, there are now (count them) seven rapids between Glasgow & Edinburgh on or near the M8, not including Ingliston (2 at Eurocentral about to be switched on, 1 at Newhouse, 1 at Whitburn, 3 in Livingston), so a quick ten minute top-up in horrendous snowy weather would be the most you had to contend with.

You will save money and I would not hesitate, if on a budget, to commit to a £7k 24kwh car if it has all twelve bars left on the battery indicator.

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 7:31 pm
by noahs-dad
As a 24 Leaf driver, it has never stopped me going anywhere I used to go or wanted to go. Yes it does require some adaption, but no regrets, and have always been up for the challenge and managed just fine. If your happy to stop for a charge and while charging is free in Scotland, and low cost or free for the top half of England, you can think of a 24 Leaf as very suitable for short or long distance and low cost driving.

The value deterioration on the Leaf might be a bit of a sharp and drastic fall, but the physical deterioration is superb, they are solid and reliable cars.

4 years ago I would not have hesitated getting in for £7 or £8k in a 24 Leaf. I got in at 15£k but no regrets even at that. All that is different now, is you can get in cheaper, and the battery size has moved on. Forget the newer more expensive stuff and just get on with it I say, if your tempted by the attractive low cost of second hand Leafing.

Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 11:34 am
by moonoo
Hi All,

Apologies I've not been very active on the forum of late as I was getting rather despondent with the lack of progress with installation of the charger at my workplace. It has been installed now and will be available to use by staff in a few weeks.

I'm getting more active again with my aim to replace my current diesel with a Nissan Leaf. I've been doing my sums again and I think I can afford to look for a 30kWh/6.6kW model.

I'm hoping to keep the car until it is paid off taking approximately four years. At that point it will have around 100,000 miles added. I'm thinking that going for the 30kWh version will allow for some useful battery capacity at the end of four years. With any further years that I can run the car without the battery and range being a problem will help me gather funds towards another EV with the money I would be saving on fuel. I'm based towards the north of Glasgow so travelling to my work via the M8 is 45 miles. If I go via the M9 it is 52 miles. I realise I'm into C&C Taxis "Twizzy" territory with that total mileage after four years but their experience is encouraging. I'm hoping that starting off with the larger capacity 30kWh battery would allow for some additional capacity and margin for error after that time and mileage.


Re: No more skulking :-)

Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2018 7:18 pm
by Buzby
Always go for the largest available battery you can afford - it saves on the hassle later as upgrading is never easy. As for routing, I avoid the M8 the route is boring and those 2 miles you save going via the Kelpies invariably has less hold ups - asfor Charging places, it has a similar amount so well worth considering.